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Full Audio Interview Examples
to Illustrate Various Exercises
in the Workbook

Interview Links
 

Interview #1

Interview #2

Interview #3

Interview #4

Interview #5

Interview #6

Interview #7

Interview #8

By Chapter and Exercise

IMPORTANT NOTE: The first five chapters which represent the core process of installing a rule, developing motivation around that rule, identifying every last limiting belief which prevents you from achieving that rule, finding the logical flaws in those limiting beliefs, and achieving 100% confidence you can follow that rule forever are illustrated here.  Not every chapter is represented by an audio exercise example, and not every full interview example illustrates every exercise. The workbook is a compilation of ALL the exercises Glenn has used to execute the coaching process with successful clients and represents his best thinking.  These example audios were compiled over many years and each interview only relied on a few techniques at a time. 

 
CHAPTER ONE

"One Simple Rule
"
(Exercise 1A thru 1C)
CHAPTER TWO

"The Big Why
"
(Exercise 2A thru 2C)


"The Big Why Not:
What Happens in
the Long Run if You Let the Pig Win?"
(Exercise 2D)

 

CHAPTER THREE

"Listing All the Pig's Squeals
"
(Exercise 3A)


"Disputing the Pig's Squeals
"
(Exercise 3C)

CHAPTERS FOUR AND FIVE

"Pushing for 100% Confidence"
(Exercise 4B, 4C, and 5A)

 

Interview #1
How Amy Achieved 100% Confidence
She Would NEVER Binge Again

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  • 00:00 to 1:05 --> Amy discusses her history with weight, diabetes, and treatment.
     

  • 01:30 to 2:20 --> Coming to terms with her perceived limitations of the medical profession
     

  • 02:30 to 2:55 --> Amy reveals her addiction to sugar and flour
     

  • 03:00 to 4:17 --> Talks about the One Simple Rule which got her started (about soda), and zeroes in on the next rule she wishes to create - to never eat flour and/or sugar again. 
     

  • 04:30 to 6:10 --> Ruthlessly eliminating ALL ambiguity from her new rule!
     

  • 06:11 to 6:22 --> Checking to be sure the new rule is not too restrictive, as discussed in Exercise 1B of the Workbook.  (The entire process for coming up with One Simple Rule is covered in Chapter One of the Workbook, Exercises  1A thru 1C.)
     

  • 06:25 to 8:21 --> Probing for the positive elements of Amy's "Big Why"  (Exercise 2A in the Workbook). 
     

  • 8:21 to 9:15 --> Note how relentless I am with Amy in order to unearth the detailed motivation behind the every little positive element of the future she imagines if she complies with her new Food Rule.  For example, I would NOT let Amy get away with just saying "I'd have more energy."  Instead, I probed to find out what she wanted to DO with that energy, and insisted she paint me a visual picture of what her finished projects would look like, and how it would feel to have done them.  Furthermore, it's NOT an accident I kept going until she was expressing emotion (laughter), nor that I joined with her in this emotion to reinforce it.  You want to emotionally root yourself in as much detail as you can about the positive future which is waiting for you.  You are, after all, painting a picture of what your personal Heaven will be like!
     

  • 9:45 to 10:03 --> Good Interview #of making a very specific piece of clothing a motivational tool in your Big Why
     

  • 10:30 to 11:15 --> Emphasizing the imagined change in relationship (being a better role model for her husband) due to complying with her Food Rule
     

  • 11:15 to 11:45 --> The financial ramifications ($500/year saved) of complying with her new rule.
     

  • 11:45 to 12:36 --> Briefly discussing the negative future which awaits Amy if she does NOT comply with the new Food Rule.  Probing for negative motivation or the "Ghost of Christmas Future."  (Exercise 2D - we only touched on this briefly in this particular session, but the area we covered was very powerful.  You should cover ALL the areas in Exercise 2D however)
     

  • 12:45 to 14:05 --> Soliciting all the Pig's reasons for Amy to BREAK her new Rule.  Note that we got all these reasons on the table before we attempted to address any of them so we could drain the Pig of its energy.  (This section corresponds to Exercise 3A in the Workbook)
     

  • 14:07 to 17:42  Aggressively dis-empower the Pig Squeals elicited above: "Where is the lie in these?"   Note how she spontaneously disputes some of them by pointing to elements of her personal history where she overcame more serious problems because she wanted something badly enough.  "I never gave up!"  Do this where you can too - bring your personal history of success into it! (This section corresponds to Exercise 3C in the Workbook)
     

  • 17:46 Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook. 
     

    • Note the "fifth ingredient on the label" adjustment (Food Rule revision) which came out of this challenge.  This is perfectly permissible if you encounter a Squeal you
       

    • 19:30 - Understanding how to distinguish the Pig's thoughts from Your thoughts
       

    • 20:05 - 23:20 - Note how absolutely ruthlessly I push Amy to a TRUE 100% confidence level.  I have to get EVERY last Squeal out of hiding.  Be ruthless with yourself like this. 
       

    • 23:25 - 24:00 - The "consciously and purposefully clause" to protect your Food Plan.
       

    • 24:00 to the end --> achieving 100% confidence! (Exercise 5A)

 

Interview #2
Camilla's Pig Likes to Binge When
Her Business Causes Too Much Anxiety!

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  • 0:30 Background struggling with food when she feels anxious or stressed by her work
     

  • 1:15 Camilla presents her current Food Rules - plan she has been attempting
     

  • 2:55 Ruthlessly eliminating all ambiguity and redefining her Food Rules more clearly and precisely.  Note change in language at approximately the 5 minute mark to use "never again" as discussed in Exercise 1A of the workbook.
     

  • 7:15 Brainstorming new rules for portion control (Chapter 9 in workbook.)
     

  • 10:05 Begin the Big Why motivational exercises.  (Chapter 2 exercises.)  Same notes about motivational exercises as Interview #1. 

    • Note the strong connection between mastering her own eating and building a successful business for herself.  (12:15 to 12:45) 
       

    • Connection to happier and healthier romantic relationship 12:45 to 13:30
       

    • Mending relationships with difficult people 13:30 to 14:25
       

    • Parenting her daughter at 14:30. 
       

    • Exercise more sanely at 15:30
       

  • 18:03 -  Soliciting all the Pig's reasons for Camilla to BREAK her Food Plan.  Note again we attempted to put all these reasons on the table before we attempted to address any of them so we could drain the Pig of its energy.  (This section corresponds to Exercise 3A in the Workbook.) 

    • 19:00 - Please note this ONE Squeal was particularly challenging for Camilla, and it's my practice to aggressively intervene to disempower ONE Squeal if the client feels overwhelmed by it during this section.  If I didn't Camilla would've gotten stuck.   
       

    • 23:10 Camilla's Pig tricks me into doing it with a SECOND Squeal. 
       

    • 27:05 Then a THIRD!  This was a mistake but it turned out OK. 
       

    • Do NOT let your Pig make you do what Camilla tricked me into doing here!  Do not address more than ONE Squeal before you get ALL the Squeals on the table.  Otherwise it will drain your energy too much to expose all the Squeals, and the Pig will get to hide one to surprise you with later on.  But if there's ONE that troubles you too much then dispute this one first before moving on.
       

  • 32:23 Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook. 
     

  • 34:00 Achieving 100% confidence! (Exercise 5A)   (Chapter 2 exercises.)  Same notes about motivational exercises as Interview #1. 


Interview #3
Shellane Wants to Join
the "Skinny Bitches!"

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  • 00:00 to 1:50 How the Pig beat Shellane after she'd Caged it!  Describing the Conscious Pig Parties
     

  • 1:50 to 3:12 Ruthlessly defining her One Simple Rule to get her back on track
     

  • 3:12 Begin the Big Why motivational exercises

    • 3:30 to 4:00 Aches and pains eliminated.  (Return to review details at 6:15)
       

    • 4:00 to 4:30 Job/Career would improve if she wasn't thinking about food all the time
       

    • 4:45 - Checking for nutritional adequacy and fulfillment
       

    • 5:00 - Going back to redefine the One Simple Rule to create exception/safety valve "Second rung around the bullseye."  As reviewed in Chapter 10 of the workbook.
       

    • 6:25 - Could wear sexy clothes, look better, feel more confident and outgoing, see her friends more often, etc.  (Follow up on details at 7:30 - wearing dresses)
       

    • 7:00 - Could do "skinny bitch yoga"
       

  • 7:35 Fully committing to the One Simple Rule.  Note how I keep checking for ambiguity and/or holes in the rules, need to refine.
     

  • 8:39 The Big Why Not --> Short example of facing the "Ghost of Christmas Future" (Exercise 2D in the workbook).  It's best if you go through ALL the different prompts in this exercise despite the brevity of this section of the interview.
     

  • 9:32 Soliciting all the Pig's reasons for Shellane to BREAK her One Simple Rule.   (This section corresponds to Exercise 3A in the Workbook.)
     

  • 10:45 Begin disputing and logically disempowering the Pig's lies.  Note how energetically Shellane goes through this section after having successfully amped up her motivation.  This should serve as motivation for YOU to go through Chapter 2 in the workbook with zest and detail.  There is also a tremendous amount of valuable information within Shellane's disputations (and the help I provided her).  This brings the disputation logic presented in Chapter 3 to life in an emphatic and emotional way.
     

  • 20:18 Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook.   This was particularly easy with Shellane because we aggressively uncovered and disempowered all of her Pig's Squeals.
     

  • 20:37 to End: Dealing with the "Conscious Pig Party" Squeals.


Interview #4
Giving Up Gluten!

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  • 00:50 - The problem with other diets

  • 01:00 - Review of her trigger foods and her reaction to gluten

  • 01:45 - Narrowing down the definition of gluten vs. flour

  • 03:32 - Reviewing her existing rules

  • 04:18 - How the "Better Deal Theory" ruins her Food Plan

  • 04:35 - Helping Kate to understand the importance of "One Simple Rule"

  • 05:30 - Kate decides she wants to make ONE rule about gluten

  • 06:30 - How defining One Simple Rule makes the Pig's voice clear

  • 07:20 - Kate begins her Big Why and Big Why Not.  Note my depthful probing, and how I agitated certain negative consequences, emphasized the positive ones

  • 10:10 - Financial implications of never eating gluten again!  (Still part of the Big Why and Big Why Not)

  • 11:15 - Summarizing her Big Why - note how powerful this example was!

  • 11:40 - Begin eliciting rationalizations for breaking One Simple Rule.  Note how I kept pushing even when she started saying there were no more.

  • 13:35 - My story about my patient who was a stalker

  • 14:02 - Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook.    Note how relentlessly I went after every last excuse in Kate's case.

  • 23:00 - Begin pushing Kate over the "inescapable void" with a leap of faith.  She gets there pretty quickly.

  • 25:10 - The daily journaling challenge to force the Pig to give up the element of surprise


Interview #5
Chantelle Will Never Binge NOW!

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  • 00:21 Orientation - Chantelle's experience with Never Binge Again and her perception that she's missing some Squeals
  • 00:50 Chantelle's trouble with flour
  • 01:38 Chantelle realizes there's no doctor out there prescribing more sugar and flour... sorts out confusion between grain recommendations and flour
  • 02:28 Zeroes in on what might be logically best based upon the facts she knows
  • 02:50 Her Pig tries to win by keeping her chronically ambivalent.  We solve this using the techniques in Exercise 1C, then running the Big Why (Chapter 2 exercises) on both possibilities.
  • 03:45 Restating and clearly defining both options for One Simple Rule
  • 05:00 Begin transitioning the the Big Why
  • 07:20 She begins to come more alive when she realizes she could spend more time on her crafts and with her husband
  • 08:20 Looking at the financial value of not binging
  • 09:17 Comparing and contrasting the Big Why as it relates to the two different possible rules
  • 10:30 Begin listing out all the Pig's excuses to continue binging.  (This section corresponds to Exercise 3A in the Workbook.) 
  • 11:33 Begin the process of challenging the Pig's excuses. 
  • 12:35 Discuss the particularly difficult Squeal of the "Conscious Pig Party."
  • 19:00 Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook. 
  • 19:45 Crossing the inescapable void and finding 100% confidence! ("If I never binge NOW then I'll never binge again!")

 

Interview #6
Alexandria Is An Emotional Eater!

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  • 00:21 Ali talks about having "fallen down" the rabbit hole and binging like crazy

  • 01:20 The "Confuse and Conquer" maneuver by the Pig

  • 02:20 The Pig insists Ali lose weight quickly (as a set up for binging later).

  • 03:00 Defining her Food Rules clearly.

  • 04:30 Recapturing previous success and understanding how she fell down.

  • 06:20 Rats prefer sugar to cocaine.

  • 06:45 The "Not Fast Enough" Squeal.

  • 08:30 Becoming more realistic about weight loss goals.

  • 10:00 The fate of the world doesn't depend on the size of Ali's a___.

  • 10:30 Begin transitioning the the Big Why (Chapter 2).

  • 12:12 Talking about being a better role model for her daughters (the emotionally important part of the Big Why, note her concern)

  • 13:16 How her mother gave up on taking care of her own health.  Lit up a cigarette immediately upon leaving the hospital.  Note how I helped Ali make this an even more powerful "Ghost of Christmas Future" (Exercise 2D).  Note how emotional Ali became when she really connected to this element of her motivation.

  • 17:00 REALLY agitating the Ghost of Christmas Future.  This was the essence of the motivational interview with Ali.

  • 18:05 Validating what the Pig is stealing from her

  • 18:45 Re-emphasizing hope and reversibility

  • 19:15 Begin eliciting rationalizations for breaking her Food Plan. 

  • 20:37 "One bite off Plan is a tragedy."

  • 21:52 Why the fastest way to lose weight is slowly. Overcoming the "not fast enough" Squeal (Chapter 3).

  • 22:30 Slowly is the only way for Ali.

  • 25:00 Attacking the Pig's "not fast enough" Squeal with an atomic bomb.

  • 26:30 Dealing with wine/alcohol. 

  • 28:30 The Time Machine Squeal.  Solution "I never binge now!"

  • 29:53 Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook. 
     

Interview #7
Howie and Glenn Talk About
Overcoming Guilt and Shame

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  • 00:24 Framing the question.  Should mothers feel guilty about feeding their kids sugar in the womb?
     

  • 00:40 If you THINK you should feel guilty about something, especially something you can't do anything about, the odds are you should let it go.
     

  • 02:15 Howie provides examples from his own life.
     

  • 03:30 The problem with holding onto old wounds.
     

  • 04:45 Amor Fati.  "Problems are from God, and so are shoulders."
     

  • 06:00 How excessive guilt burdens those around you more than if you let it go.
     

  • 06:55 Why an addiction to sugar is NOT at all impossible to overcome.
     

  • 07:20 The first hundred hours off sugar are the hardest.
     

  • 07:30 You CAN opt out of sugar.
     

  • 08:35 If this woman hadn't introduced sugar to her child then society would've.
     

  • 09:00 Why you'd have to raise a child in the equivalent of a cult community in order to stop them from having a chocolate chip cookie by the time they were 16.
     

  • 9:40  How children grow from parental mistakes and empathic failures, in additional great parenting!
     

  • 11:30 Mistakes Glenn made early on in his practice that he felt very guilty about.  Example of how to get over the guilt.
     

  • 12:15 Motivating yourself to change the world as the ultimate solution.
     

  • 13:20 Howie's parents told him he had the perfect childhood.


Interview #8
Liv Gave Up Coffee 100%

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  • 00:15 - Update on Liv's multi-year adventure with Never Binge Again.  She doesn't binge anymore  "The name of the game is staying in the game until you win the game!"
     

  • 01:02 Having trouble with coffee.
     

  • 01:15 Needs to give it up for her health. Adrenal exhaustion.  Bad digestion - better through diet but coffee messing it up.
     

  • 01:52 Jump to Big Why Not "Ghost of Christmas Future) and seriously agitate.  (Exercise 2D).
     

  • 02:25 Autoimmune problems, destroying the gut with coffee. Still part of the Ghost of Christmas Future
     

  • 03:12 Doug Lisle reference that her Pig loves
     

  • 03:36 The apology letter technique. 
     

  • 04:17 Leveraging the information technique for agitating the Ghost of Christmas Future.  What specifically does coffee do that is so harmful?
     

  • 05:15 Relating coffee to disturbed sleep and therefore interference with all the important relationships in her life.  Coffee is isolating her.
     

  • 06:15 Coffee is the antithesis of the feeling and state of mind she seeks in Yoga
     

  • 07:00 Begin eliciting the Pig's rationalizations for continuing to drink coffee. 
     

  • 08:08 Her shirt that says "Death Before Decaf"
     

  • 08:25 Begin listing out all the Pig's excuses to continue binging.  (This section corresponds to Exercise 3A in the Workbook.) 
     

  • 09:00  Begin the process of challenging the Pig's excuses.
     
  • 12:05 The healthier I eat, the healthier I have to eat.  Treats stop feeling like treats.
     

  • 12:28 Liv loves herself more than coffee.
     

  • 13:20 Glenn introduces a rare "baby and the bathwater" idea in addiction
     

  • 14:15 Finding calming and satisfying substitutes
     

  • 15:50 The myth of "hitting bottom" as the only way to stop an addiction
     

  • 17:35 The problem with fear of boredom (and the solution at 18:50).  "Boredom is a good sign that you are withdrawing from addiction."
     

  • Approximately 20:15 Begin the process of challenging the Pig for 100% confidence, as outlined in Chapter 4 (Exercises 4A through 4C) of the Workbook.
     

  • 21:39 Begin taking the "leap of faith" (Exercise 5A)
     

  • 23:00 Getting very close.  The essence of having your survival drive hijacked and how the leap of faith
     

  • 25:00 She gets there!


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